View source for 28th April 2011 - BUFORA Science Officer Thinks The Meier Case Is A Hoax

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==Synopsis==

A year ago I asked the [http://www.bufora.org.uk British UFO Research Association] why they didn't have any information about ''The Meier Case''. Their science officer, Richard Conway, gave the reason that it was because they preferred to investigate British cases only. But he wrote that they would add some information when they go through their site redesign. Last week I decided to see if they've added any information about it to their website as it's been a whole year since the last correspondence. Nothing has yet been added so I reminded them of it. Richard wrote that he thought ''The Meier Case'' was like ''The UMMO Case'' and that both were probably a hoax even though he admitted to only reading one book about ''The Meier Case'' (he hasn't said which one yet) and thus risked being branded a moron. I don't think he is a moron and he seems honest and intelligent enough to grasp the truth of ''The Meier Case'' if only he has the will to take the "red pill". He also wrote that their committee would discuss adding a link at their next meeting. I suggested that they stop wasting their time on "lights in the sky" and concentrate only on CE-5 cases starting with ''The Meier Case'' of course. I'm still waiting for their response to that suggestion...

==E-mail exchange between James Moore and Richard Conway==

James Moore <jamesgtmoore@googlemail.com>  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:47 PM<br />
To: seufos@googlemail.com, enquiries@bufora.org.uk, stheatherd77@aol.com, science@bufora.org.uk <br />
Dear BUFORA,<br />
 
I’m the webmaster of http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk and I’ve recently had a look at your site http://www.bufora.org.uk. I’ve been interested in the paranormal for many years and so I decided to see what you have on your site.
 
I discovered that you are missing information about the most significant and still ongoing UFO contactee case in history. The Billy Meier UFO case. The Roswell Crash case is like a walk in the park compared to this one! I’m quite surprised you haven’t got anything on it. Perhaps you have and I just didn’t see it. If so please point it out to me.
 
As you may or may not know, Eduard Albert Meier (nickname Billy) and his contactors, the Plejaren, have given us, since 1951, and still continue to give us a significant amount of data about us, our place in the universe, the universe itself and about many other things including shedding light on other UFO cases. In fact if you actually read up on the case then you would understand the level of ET visitation on Earth and the reasons for their coming here. Indeed, years ago, once I got over the fascination of shiny flying objects in our airspace, I found that the answers to my deeper questions about us and them came from Meier and continue to come and continue to be plausible.
 
The evidence for the authenticity of the case, both material and logical, is also undeniable. In my opinion, one would have to be a rather closed-minded individual to come to the conclusion that the case is a hoax. Of course it has had claims of a hoax being made and there are also anti-hoax claims such as falsification of photos by third parties interested in burying the case. One has to ask oneself, who would want to bury the case?
 
Perhaps being a scientifically-oriented organisation you could do your own analysis of the analyses already done on the physical and witness evidence which you can find on my site or at the official websites http://www.figu.org and http://www.theyfly.com 
 
I look forward to hearing your response.
 
Regards
 
James Moore<br />
BSc (Honours) Computing and Informatics<br />
"The First Law of Sustainability: Population growth and/or growth in the rates of consumption of resources CANNOT BE SUSTAINED!"<br />
Webmaster: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk

 
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Richard Conway <science@bufora.org.uk>  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:32 AM <br />
To: James Moore <jamesgtmoore@googlemail.com> <br />
Cc: seufos@googlemail.com, enquiries@bufora.org.uk, stheatherd77@aol.com <br />

Hello James,

Thanks for your email.

As you should have realised by our name we are the British UFO  Research Association. It's good to see that you are keeping an  information repository of well-known sightings. Indeed, BUFORA has  written numerous articles paraphrasing existing research into the Billy  Meier case which is available via eBay through 50 years of our magazine  archives. Swiss ufology is not our primary aspect of research this  should be left to Swiss UFO research organisations. Our role is more the  accumulation and eventual identification of British sightings through diligent investigation.

Having  not researched this case at all throughout our history for the above  reason it would not be expedient to copy information that you and others are publishing. There is also  enough information in the public domain for this case and when we go  through a site redesign we will provide a link for interested parties.  With regard to a scientific analysis of physical evidence I'm not sure  we can contribute much in this area and with regard to witness evidence  after 35 years passing all our experience tells us that no new  information can reliably be recorded after the passing of so much time.

Regards,

Richard Conway<br />
BUFORA Science Officer<br />
Bsc/Msc (Hons) Computer Science, Bsc Physical Science, Bsc (Hons) Economics

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James Moore <jamesgtmoore@gmail.com>  Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:30 AM <br />
To: Richard Conway <science@bufora.org.uk> <br />
Cc: James Moore <jamesgtmoore@googlemail.com>, seufos@googlemail.com, enquiries@bufora.org.uk, stheatherd77@aol.com <br />
Hi Richard,

It's been a year since our last correspondence. How have you been?

Have you gone through your site redesign yet, please? I see you still have zero references (according to Google) to the most significant "extraterrestrial contactee" case in the world. 

Even though you said that BUFORA focuses primarily on British "UFO" cases (is this some internal decision because I can't find it on your website?), can you not see that ignoring the only case that makes a difference to mankind is illogical? I don't wish to anger you sir, but only to give you food for thought as  you plough through ever more "lights in the sky", government denial that  lead nowhere except to a dead end, and listen to speakers who  drone on over the same old topics that you've already heard several  times before (Tim Good, Nick Pope etc).

Let me put it another less offensive way, it's now clear that we are  obviously being visited by ET, the multitude of facts from the various  "UFO" cases have clearly provided logical proof of this to all except  the illogical, fanatical and bigoted people of our country. We next need  to provide the people with the knowledge that the Plejaren Federation  have given us (20,000+ pages) on the most diverse subjects, the most important being the spirit teaching.

So have you or anyone in your team investigated or even studied the Meier Case at all? Whats your balanced opinion of it all given the material you have studied so far?

Have you seen the Swiss UFO organisation website at http://www.ovni.ch?  Its rather disappointing don't you agree? They have a single dismissive  "he is a charlatan" reference to Meier without even a "why" mentioned.  Morons the lot of them (if there are more than one). I don't think I'd  get past their already but I might have a go.

How did you manage to get so many degrees? Congratulations.

Yours honestly,

James

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Richard Conway <science@bufora.org.uk>  Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 8:36 AM <br />
To: James Moore <jamesgtmoore@gmail.com> <br />
Cc: James Moore <jamesgtmoore@googlemail.com>, "seufos@googlemail.com"  <seufos@googlemail.com>, "enquiries@bufora.org.uk"  <enquiries@bufora.org.uk>, "stheatherd77@aol.com"  <stheatherd77@aol.com> <br />
Hello James.

I've  read through the email and whilst BUFORA doesn't really have an opinion  on the case my personal opinion is that it is a hoax. As for your  assessment of BUFORA being an organisation the ploughs through ever more  lights in the sky, well this is just unadulterated nonsense. Feel free  to read through the investigation section of the site and you'll learn  and understand more about the capabilities of our investigators and  their due process.

I haven't personally studied  the case bar the reading of a single book but I've studied the UMMO  case in depth where the parallel between the Meier case is evident. UMMO  is a hoax.

As for listing degrees. I don't  normally do this at the bottom of an email. I find it pretentious when  people do but did it in response to your initial email. It's not  academic prowess I find credible with this subject, just content, and in  the case of Billy Meier I find it incredible. At the risk of being  branded a moron this my opinion. Feel free to converse with members of  the committee but I have a feeling you'll get a similar response.

If  you wish to provide a link for the case the committee will consider  this. I'm happy to provide reference material on the site since it's a  part of ufological history.

Regards,

Richard Conway

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James Moore <jamesgtmoore@gmail.com>  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:11 AM <br />
To: Richard Conway <science@bufora.org.uk> <br />
Cc: "seufos@googlemail.com" <seufos@googlemail.com>,  "enquiries@bufora.org.uk" <enquiries@bufora.org.uk>,  "stheatherd77@aol.com" <stheatherd77@aol.com> <br />
Hi again Richard,

So you've only read one book  about the Meier case? It's good to see an admission to such a lack of  knowledge, I appreciate the honesty. Which book was it, please? 

Are  you not interested in discovering the real truth regarding ET  visitation to Earth? If you honestly and truthfully were then you would  surely consider all possibilities right? You wouldn't dismiss a case  based on the contents of one book when there are over 120 eye witnesses,  right? With multiple forms of material and logical evidence right? That  would surely be an illogical course of action. Something most well  educated people like yourself prefer to avoid, I imagine.

I took your advice and read through the Investigations Diaries #19, #24 and #31 as the titles attracted me to them the most. Except from diary 19: "This problem encompasses reports of unusual lights in the sky (LITS). These account for a large percentage of all UFO reports and have to be very carefully evaluated in trying to elicit factual information from the witness." If "a large percentage" equates to "most" then LITS are what you are mostly "ploughing" through isn't it? 

I did find one slightly interesting case in diary #19 though (for me that is): 

Location:  Carmondean, Livingston, Scotland Date: 12th October 1999 Inv. George  Niedzwiedz encounters a luminous-yellow alien that scares him and his  dogs. Communication attempted and failed.

What interests me are CE-5 encounters like these. Everything else is now, to me, unnecessary and a waste of time,  since it's quite obvious that ET human beings are coming here for  several known reasons at least: observation, exploration, agriculture,  and for our education. Sceptics think not, but we know that this  is because they are either bigoted, biased, closed-minded or simply  uninformed (ignorant) people. Not all people are like that though. They  need help from people like you and I to give them information in a  structured form that they can digest it and then come to their own  conclusion. Sure, most "sightings" are not ET but some obviously are.  All it takes is one ET human being to visit us for ET visitation to be  happening, right?

The most exciting part of Ufology, for me, is the possibility that  we can learn from more advanced civilisations. Not new tech, but how to  achieve peace within ourselves and live in harmony with the Earth. I'm  firmly convinced that this is the best way to achieve peace on a  planetary scale. BUFORA could play a role in promoting world peace by  providing the information within the Meier Case to your  readers/conference attenders. Information is after all, viral. Michael Horn is the American Media Rep for the Meier Contacts and is available for events. Consider inviting him at your next committee meeting, please.

So I still think that you (BUFORA) are wasting at least some of your  time on "lights in the sky" and should now be focusing on CE-5  encounters only; especially The Meier CE-5 Case. In this particular case, the ETs have provided a large amount of knowledge and advice  for our use. Ignoring it is madness (yes that's quite a strong word,  madness but humans on Earth are quite mad when you read the news aren't  they?). There is also a wealth of multiple types of evidence. BUFORA would have a field day (or decade)  if they investigated the case. An investigation has already been done  mind you, several times. The most comprehensive one was done by the late  Wendelle Stevens (father of Ufology some say) and his colleagues back  in the late 70s and 80s. But this case is still ongoing (the ETs  still beam into Billy's office from time to time or he actually goes  aboard their beamships, still!) so BUFORA has a chance to become the  world's first sincere UFO research association (unlike them MUFON cretins across the water) and take mankind forwards in a responsible manner in your capacity as an objective and scientific investigative body. Consider that also, at your next committee meeting, please. When is that by the way?

A good hyperlink for your committee to consider having on your website is this one: http://futureofmankind.co.uk (I created this website in 2006). But FIGU is the official organisation that "handles" Meier's affairs: http://www.figu.org (I am not a member of FIGU). So both would be advisable in my opinion. Here is a description of FIGU from my website:

"In the 1970s, Billy Meier began working with other people interested in learning about his remarkable contact experiences with people from the Plejares. The knowledge he had gleaned from these contacts was written down and made available for public scrutiny. Some members of the group even witnessed the incredible phenomena themselves. Together they decided to publicise the information and formed a group they call FIGU, a German acronym that stands for Free Community of Interests for the Border and Spiritual Sciences and Ufological Studies. In addition to publishing and distributing the documented experiences, facts and evidences of Billy's contacts, FIGU addresses many vital, worldwide issues on a daily basis. These include the crusade against overpopulation, the fight against the abuse of women and children, the protection of animals, human rights, and the struggle to save Planet Earth and its plants, animals and human life."

We (the  English speaking peoples of Earth) need German translators by the way as  there are many contact reports and books still only available in that  language. So if you know any who are interested please kindly offer my  e-mail address.

I didn't mean to be pretentious by the way. I just wanted to let you  know that I'm not an ignoramus who doesn't do his homework. Hey I'm  still lazy occasionally but who isn't!

Peace to you and BUFORA,<br />
James

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James Moore <jamesgtmoore@gmail.com>  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:37 AM <br />
To: Richard Conway <science@bufora.org.uk> <br />
Richard,

I don't want you to think I'm spamming  you. I'm only after a discussion so this will be my final e-mail unless  you are interested in discussing it with me any further. 

Did you know that 'The Meier Case' is still ongoing? That new events continue to occur? That means you won't have to consider just old evidence that is difficult to verify....

If you wish to ignore or overlook the most important "UFO contactee"  case of the present time and possibly since the 6th century, then that  is ultimately your responsibility to bear and your failure as an  allegedly scientific organisation that is supposed to be totally  unbiased and neutral in it's thoughts and actions in the field of  Ufology. Britain is also a small country. Limiting your investigations  to Britain is therefore not logical either.

Peace,

James
p.s. I've posted our conversation to the Internet so I'm sure many others would be interested to read your response!<br />

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Richard Conway <science@bufora.org.uk>  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 1:47 PM <br />
To: James Moore <jamesgtmoore@gmail.com> <br />
Cc: Heather Dixon <stheatherd77@aol.com>, Matt Lyons <seufos@gmail.com> <br />
Hello James,

Quite  frankly I'm not sure how I can add any value to the debate. I've looked  at your website titled "BUFORA Science Officer Admits to Being a Moron"  (http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/28th_April_2011_-_BUFORA_%22Science_Officer%22_Admits_To_Being_A_Moron%21)  and "BUFORA Science Officer Thinks the Meier Case is a Hoax". I said in  my previous email "At the the risk of being branded a moron (by you)"  since you blatantly called the owners of a Swiss site morons for terming  Billy Meier a charlatan. 

Obviously you  want to bate me for sensationalist publicity (or probably just for something to write about as there are only so many  times that you can paraphrase that Meier is a prophet - must be very  frustrating for you to bear such as message in a world full of  sceptics!) but I'm not really personally interested in the case and you  really have serious misconceptions if you think my opinion on this case  matters a smidgeon to anyone. 

You asked in a  previous email the book that I had read, which was by Gary Kinder,  called Light Years but this was back in the 90s.

You  also mention that the case is ongoing. In ufology every "earth  shattering" case I know of is still ongoing and facts get more contorted  over time so I don't get your point. Where is ANY physical evidence in  this case NOW that you can apply science to - forget 30 year old photos  and samples of metals - and what "science" are you asking BUFORA to  apply to this case? You seem to want BUFORA to do something here but I'm not sure what. 

As I  said to you my knowledge of this case is weak, generally from a lack of  interest in ufology but to clue myself up I read the page below; it was  very compelling reading. 
 
http://www.thebiggestsecret.org/home/index.php/articles/60-meier-hoax/82-meier-mega-hoax-mega-con

Rather  than have a lengthy discourse on the Meier case let's cut this short  and make this our last email and if you want to provide some balance on  the above I'm sure the committee will be happy to publish something on  our site. Please try not to rant though I can see that you have this  unfortunate tendency from your blog postings. 

Cheers!

Richard

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James Moore <jamesgtmoore@gmail.com>  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 4:28 PM <br />
To: Richard Conway <science@bufora.org.uk> <br />
Cc: Heather Dixon <stheatherd77@aol.com>, Matt Lyons <seufos@gmail.com> <br />
Hi Richard,

As you noticed I did initially use a sensationalist title for the blog post but then I realised the error of my ways and changed it to something neutral. So I apologise for the initial silly title and mistake.

The  evidence already available is more than enough to convince anyone of  "sound mind" in my opinion but there is some relatively recent evidence  that you could possibly apply scientific technique to. There will  undoubtedly also be some that I am not aware of that FIGU could provide  upon request.

How about these suggestions?

* Examine the car bonnet with the 7-finger acid hand prints (microscopic analysis?).


* Examine the beamship sounds. I have already made a spectrogram analysis that proves that recent attempts to replicate them were unsuccessful.

* Examine the other metal samples not previously analysed that are still in Meier's possession.

* Examine recent landing sites for unusual levels of radiation, electromagnetism, visual appearance, insect and plant behaviour etc.
* Interview witnesses to recent sightings etc.
* Examine new photo, audio, video and other physical/material evidence they might have that I'm not aware of.
* Submit freedom of information requests from the Swiss government regarding Meier, if they have FOI laws.


BUFORA isn't very well known perhaps but it can still provide a  service to mankind by conducting a fresh investigation of this case and  making it available to the public via it's own channels.

Light  Years is a decent book on the case in my opinon but is a small subset of  the information available via my website, untranslated books and other  websites.

That link you provided was full of spin and I'd have to spend hours  trying to "balance" that one which I'm not particularly keen on doing  sorry. But there is an article by someone here that 

If you would kindly provide a link to www.figu.org and www.futureofmankind.co.uk that would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,<br />
James